tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post1218419732388556801..comments2023-11-24T16:00:18.472-08:00Comments on Paul Barden Roses: Basye's AmphidiploidUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-41743429813522650662009-06-06T02:13:54.848-07:002009-06-06T02:13:54.848-07:00Any of the roses in the ancestory of 'Ebb Tide...Any of the roses in the ancestory of 'Ebb Tides' would be good. Roses such as 'Violette' and 'Sweet Chariot' have a lovely deep purple and both a very healthy with the added benefit of striking easily from cuttings.'Rhapsody in Blue' would be a better start than 'Angel Face' I reckon...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-14127747593054643532009-06-05T19:33:33.662-07:002009-06-05T19:33:33.662-07:00Wu,
Carlin's Rhythm:
http://www.roguevalleyr...Wu,<br />Carlin's Rhythm: <br /><br />http://www.roguevalleyroses.com/product_info.php?products_id=964<br /><br />'Ebb Tide' will make an excellent parent, FAR, FAR better than 'Angel Farce' so I'd emphasized 'Ebb Tide' if you have it. Loads of fertile seed that germinates readily. It makes beautiful mauves and some deep purples as well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153593289512217730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-34780332743266124692009-06-05T19:17:54.676-07:002009-06-05T19:17:54.676-07:00After looking up these two plants on help me find ...After looking up these two plants on help me find I remeber being interested in Carlin's Rhythm but I ruled it out because I could not find a source for it. I do not remeber Lilac Charm but since it is in the parentage of Carlin's Rythm I must have at least looked at it. Do you know a source for Carlin's Rhythm?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-66249232205537098082009-06-05T18:29:53.123-07:002009-06-05T18:29:53.123-07:00I am afraid angel face is one of the mauves I pick...I am afraid angel face is one of the mauves I picked out. The other ones are not much better. They include sterling silver which is a weak grower and get powdery mildew; two problems angel face also gets. Passion which is more of a mauve blend I do not know much about it yet but the plant hasn't impressed me so far. These were selected more because they where good female parents supposidly. <br /><br />I also got winter magic. I read nothing about it being a good parent but I thought I would try it. I wish I would have read your blog on midnight blue last year.<br /><br />I am going to try out the this year but they don't give me much hope. That is why I was crossing Wild Blue Yonder and Ebb Tide to Rise 'n' Shine I thought that it could be back up just in case. Maybe I could get a better plant with at least mauve genes in it. I also had pollen from Rasberry Punch and Lavender Sunblest I was planning to use on Peace for the same thing. I was planning to use Peace for two reasons (1) it produces vigorous plants according to what I read (2) it seems like most modern mauves come out of Peace so maybe the genes are their, but it has been used so much it might be just because it is Peace.<br /><br />I will definetly have to look at these roses. But getting any of them will have to wait until next year. Soon the heat will be u here and anything that not established will suffer. Does any of these set seed that germinates?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-11421446463162176852009-06-05T14:27:09.418-07:002009-06-05T14:27:09.418-07:00Mike,
I will attempt to root pieces of my three am...Mike,<br />I will attempt to root pieces of my three amphidiploids this Summer. And yes, my plant of 'Commander Gillette' came from Sequoia Nursery several years ago. Its a fine rose by any standard. Good luck on the Gillette/l83 cross! Glad to hear your L83 is finally taking hold.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153593289512217730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-55251529604490169502009-06-05T13:47:32.230-07:002009-06-05T13:47:32.230-07:00I love Dr. Basye's work and I have been search...I love Dr. Basye's work and I have been searching for his amphidiploid for what seems like an eternity. <br /><br />Paul, did you get your Commander Gillette from Mr. Moore. I am just curious to see if we have the same plant. Mine is in bloom right now. It is a monster even in my zone 5. No dieback or disease ever and it is eight feet tall and getting bigger at three years old. <br /><br />I have been planning the Basye's Legacy/L83 cross. I am going to put your L83 pollen on it in the morning. I've got the flowers all picked out for tomorrow morning so I can get to them quickly because they self-pollinate so fast.<br /><br />By the way Paul, my plant of L83 is really doing well now. It is putting on some good new growth finally.Mike Fittshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03420251834565186015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-54413643192424314982009-06-05T13:09:41.995-07:002009-06-05T13:09:41.995-07:00I'm curious what mauves you plan on using in b...I'm curious what mauves you plan on using in breeding. Hybrid Teas, or ?? Not too much I can say until I know what cultivars you have your eye on. I just hope that 'Angel Farce' isn't one of them. That rose has so many flaws that must be overcome, and I think it would throw more obstacles in your way than you really need. <br /><br />Have you considered any of LeGrice's mauves bred from R. californica? I think these may have what you need. Although I think 'Lilac Charm' leaves a lot to be desired as a shrub, it has a lot to offer as a breeder. I would also HIGHLY recommend Kim Rupert's 'Carlin's Rhythm' for breeding disease free mauves. It is from 'Lilac Charm' and 'Basye's Legacy', so it has good genes from both sides.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153593289512217730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-27731131654442822632009-06-05T10:36:40.902-07:002009-06-05T10:36:40.902-07:00"Its well past time we had a group of roses t..."Its well past time we had a group of roses that could be grown without "life support" and which have better architecture and winter hardiness, making them better shrubs for integration into garden landscapes."<br /><br />This statement is so true. I think a large part of the down turn in popularity of roses comes down to this. And some of the best disease resistance comes on the ugliest plants like knockout.<br /><br />I am currently working on this same goal, but in a different way. I am working on breeding a better mauve rose. At least the modern mauves I know of are horrible plants. So may plain is to cross these mauves with hardier disease resistant roses. Then I am going to select the better seedlings on terms of hardiness, disease resistance and plant form. I think coloring does not need to be a criteria for selection in the first generation because I plain to cross these seedlings to each other and I think some mauves should reappear. I expect at least for the first generation I will get a lot of junk because the mauves are mostly junk in my opinion and at least the mauves will receive some much needed outcrossing.<br /><br />For this goal I am using the L83 from you, some of Henry's R15 crosses, Cuthbert Grant, and what ever else I can get my hands on. <br /><br />This is one of my three programs I am working on. <br /><br />So Paul do you think this is a good plain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com