tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post2995277187929966322..comments2023-11-24T16:00:18.472-08:00Comments on Paul Barden Roses: "Undisclosed"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-19464613951505308972011-01-02T20:35:30.246-08:002011-01-02T20:35:30.246-08:00In my case, not preferring roses whos parentage is...In my case, not preferring roses whos parentage is undisclosed (this doesn't mean "never using")is a gesture to support the prinicple of striving towards more transparency in breeding work, (be it accurate or inaccurate).xxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995510421525105770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-10057890862639895122011-01-01T20:47:52.381-08:002011-01-01T20:47:52.381-08:00I don't see it as that big a deal really... a ...I don't see it as that big a deal really... a good % of the pedigrees you see are wrong anyway and as Mr Moore said you can take the same two roses that he used and not get the same result. It's interesting to know the background but meh... I'm not inclined to ignore a rose whose background I don't know either. Rather, if it grows well for me and has the features I am looking for then it gets a go... what's the worst that can happen??? The seedlings still go through the same selection process the ones with better looking pedigrees do anyway. You can take two great roses and cross them and get a hundred lousy ones and you can take two lousy roses and put them together and get something vastly improved on both parents. Granted, the odds are stacked for and against you in both cases, but in the end I think it's a numbers game and the bigger the numbers the more likely you are to hit on good combinations from both stables. I mean, there are exceptions to this... I was faced with the decision of whether to use <i>R. wichurana</i>, 'Immensee', or 'Temple Bells' for a line I'm working on and went with 'Immensee' and 'Temple bells' instead of <i>wichurana</i> because I knew the previous two both had miniature/polyantha parents but if I had a really good unknown rose I would still use it for sure. I think Paul is looking at it from a purely academic POV in which it is of great interest to see what went on in DA's head when he decided to use such and such a rose to produce the results he has... maybe it's a good lesson in what not to do too ;) I think Paul is right when he says it's probably so that people don't know he is using such and such a rose in breeding because of their bad reputations. I feel like that when I think about using 'Rhapsody in Blue' as a parent too, but in the end I see it as a means to and end. I've also heard Mr Moore responding to questions as to why he chose such and such a rose as a parent (because the person posing the question would never use it as a parent), with something like <i>'because that's what I had at the time'</i>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-89747373897358108742011-01-01T15:35:38.044-08:002011-01-01T15:35:38.044-08:00Couldn't agree with you more about the undiscl...Couldn't agree with you more about the undisclosed parentage Paul. If I don't know what went in to making up a rose I won't bother with it.<br /><br />Love the color and form of your 19-02-03.Rob Byrnesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-44034816558888300652010-12-29T03:19:39.951-08:002010-12-29T03:19:39.951-08:00As a newly started amateur rose breeder, I have de...As a newly started amateur rose breeder, I have decided to make a point to totally avoid using roses whose parentage is not disclosed or is unreliable/suspect, unless this is totally unavoidable.xxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995510421525105770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-22247387721502526862010-12-28T06:46:47.094-08:002010-12-28T06:46:47.094-08:00You've stuck a nerve with this subject, my dea...You've stuck a nerve with this subject, my dear, and I think you may be onto something with DA hiding the true parentage to avoid discovery of roses used that may be outside DAs original OGR-reproduction goal. It seems the 'big' guys can get away with whatever they want to register roses ... this is just the latest iteration. How about "seedling x seedling"? or "unknown"? <br /><br />Some of the parentage listed on Ralph Moore's roses look like college-level algebra equations ... I'm always fascinated, and I have been known to seek roses for my collection that are the parents of roses I already have (and like).Connie in Hartwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09127877285792861166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-26710157755514433252010-12-27T23:03:09.737-08:002010-12-27T23:03:09.737-08:00At a guess, would you be talking about some of his...At a guess, would you be talking about some of his recent rugosa hybrids such as 'Wild Edric'? I'm interested in seeing what's behind 'The Wedgwood Rose' and 'Kew Gardens', both of which are meant to be hybrid musks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2388607555310531935.post-52551291118130071122010-12-27T07:38:17.146-08:002010-12-27T07:38:17.146-08:00Paul, you're correct, and it is going to leave...Paul, you're correct, and it is going to leave a big hole in Rose-Breeding history when we don't know the crosses that got us (Austin) where we are.ProfessorRoushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17827625019371233145noreply@blogger.com